Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,088 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2019/04/29 : 08:36:21
90s freeform is the best.
There's no money in hardcore and relatively speaking there's barely anyone listening to it;
So whether you 'bother carrying on' should be entirely down to whether you enjoy making music or not.
I would have stopped making bonkers 7 hardcore yonks ago if I was making it on the basis of other people being interested ;)
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2019/05/03 : 12:13:02
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
90s freeform is the best.
There's no money in hardcore and relatively speaking there's barely anyone listening to it;
So whether you 'bother carrying on' should be entirely down to whether you enjoy making music or not.
I would have stopped making bonkers 7 hardcore yonks ago if I was making it on the basis of other people being interested ;)
Nailed it. Tbh, If you have to ask the question 'Should i carry on', then it probably means you shouldn't.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2019/05/08 : 19:30:33
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
90's freeform ? There was no freeform in the 90s , was all trance.
It was known as 'Trancecore' but people did not like the term so Sharkey coined the term Freeform Hardcore in 1999 and the name has stuck ever since.
Good stuff from the Trancecore years though!
Trancecore ! LOL Yes I remember when that fad started. Was Sharkey who started it, and a lot of the names like Hixxy / Bunter jumped on it. Personally I think it was partly to blame for the decline in popularity of hardcore as a whole. I reckon if you had access to sales figures for CD's back then, UD Vol 6 onwards, you'll see a rapid decline, as the music went that way. Slower, trancey, ****ing boring.
Trancecore started way before Sharkey. They were making stuff in Germany & Belgium in 1993/94.
Here's an example that Easygroove played at Dreamscape 9 in February 1994.
Alert moderatorEdited by - Si Thompson on 2019/05/08 19:31:28
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,088 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2019/05/09 : 09:10:28
Aye i'd say thats just german hard trance, for sure like lezvi says.
though I'm not sure what Levzi means by saying there was "no freeform in the 90s, it was all trance"...I mean if you can't hear the difference between the Funky Breaks International/Nu Energy 90s freeform stuff and hard trance then I've no idea what to say. It'd be like trying to explain the difference between brie and port salut.
actually terrible example as brie is just nasty.
unless you're just talking about terminology. in which case sure the term 'freeform' wasn't around until 99ish...then trancecore term...what only lasted a year or so 1998ish, till 99 until it was redubbed freeform because a few people thought the term trancecore was stupid.
before that I just remember being it being labelled happy hardcore....alebit 'darker' happy hardcore..
but the term's fully backward compatible as there's a pretty clear distinction between the two; the german hard trance sound, and the UK freeform sound. At least to my ears.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2019/05/09 : 11:24:12
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
90's freeform ? There was no freeform in the 90s , was all trance.
It was known as 'Trancecore' but people did not like the term so Sharkey coined the term Freeform Hardcore in 1999 and the name has stuck ever since.
Good stuff from the Trancecore years though!
Trancecore ! LOL Yes I remember when that fad started. Was Sharkey who started it, and a lot of the names like Hixxy / Bunter jumped on it. Personally I think it was partly to blame for the decline in popularity of hardcore as a whole. I reckon if you had access to sales figures for CD's back then, UD Vol 6 onwards, you'll see a rapid decline, as the music went that way. Slower, trancey, ****ing boring.
Trancecore started way before Sharkey. They were making stuff in Germany & Belgium in 1993/94.
Here's an example that Easygroove played at Dreamscape 9 in February 1994.
Thats not trancecore, that's just standard trance. And if sharkey pioneered it or not, (many say he did) he made it popular, I can remember the set he did in Kinetic and he said its something different it's trancecore, its the future.
Trance isn't 160-170 bpm. This is.. So i disagree with you.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2019/05/09 : 11:27:52
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
Aye i'd say thats just german hard trance, for sure like lezvi says.
though I'm not sure what Levzi means by saying there was "no freeform in the 90s, it was all trance"...I mean if you can't hear the difference between the Funky Breaks International/Nu Energy 90s freeform stuff and hard trance then I've no idea what to say. It'd be like trying to explain the difference between brie and port salut.
actually terrible example as brie is just nasty.
unless you're just talking about terminology. in which case sure the term 'freeform' wasn't around until 99ish...then trancecore term...what only lasted a year or so 1998ish, till 99 until it was redubbed freeform because a few people thought the term trancecore was stupid.
before that I just remember being it being labelled happy hardcore....alebit 'darker' happy hardcore..
but the term's fully backward compatible as there's a pretty clear distinction between the two; the german hard trance sound, and the UK freeform sound. At least to my ears.
I would call 1998 stuff 'Freeform'. If you have a listen to Ramos @ Fusion 'Dream Trip' from 1997, that's definitely Trancecore, not freeform. I'll try and get the set uploaded, as it doesn't seem to be anywhere online.
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2019/05/09 : 11:34:22
I'd use them interchangeably personally, but trancecore less, as I think it sounds silly ;) Maybe slap an "early" tag on there just for good measure.
or maybe vintage, vintage sounds good. vintage freeform.
Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2019/05/09 : 11:39:39
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
I'd use them interchangeably personally, but trancecore less, as I think it sounds silly ;) Maybe slap an "early" tag on there just for good measure.
or maybe vintage, vintage sounds good. vintage freeform.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
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195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2019/05/09 : 12:29:02
The Trance Rave Mission albums contained tracks that were not labeled as Hardcore, and they were 160bpm or faster
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Si Thompson Junior Member
United Kingdom
131 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2019/05/09 : 13:57:47
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
The Trance Rave Mission albums contained tracks that were not labeled as Hardcore, and they were 160bpm or faster
Well they were 'Trancecore or Euro then, not strictly Trance.
Here is the general consensus.
'Trance music is characterised by a tempo lying between 110?150 bpm (BPM), repeating melodic phrases and a musical form that distinctly builds tension and elements throughout a track often culminating in 1 to 2 "peaks" or "drops". Although trance is a genre of its own, it liberally incorporates influences from other musical styles such as techno'.
Anyway. Triquatra summed it up just fine in his last post.
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