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Torpex
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 Posted - 2008/10/10 : 18:20:56
SixFeet has raised a very valid and important issue and some people here seem to completely fail in comprehending it. Come on. Use your brain, it's not that hard.
The "you criticize the system because you fail in it" approach is WRONG. It stems from the idea that there is only one valid system and you have to either fully accept it or die. I find this idea inherently revolting, regardless of my current financial (or generally material) situation.
We can't change the system dramatically, but we can make a difference by actually thinking and applying the conclusions.
Don't live off credit unless you really have to.
Learn to distinguish wants from needs.
Buy what you need and only occassionally what you want but don't need. Support smaller businesses with your choices where possible.
Get active. Do things your way. Try to change your reality a little bit.
Simple stuff. :)
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Posted - 2008/10/10 : 20:42:31
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
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Originally posted by Underloop:
Its all very well moaning about the economic system, but how about providing a suggestion for a better system?
How about removing lobbyist for corporations from government? How about not having a privatised central bank in charge of the economies of countries and the globe? How about not electing business men with vested interests into government? How about not allowing corporations to back political sponsorships to further agenda's that will benefit them?
Just a few to start with there.
The American Revolution was caused primarily by King George's force of them to abolish the Dollar in favour of borrowing money from us at interest immediately putting the entire American country into debt.
"The refusal of King George the third to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution" - Benjamin Franklin.
The system we have in place today caused a country to revolt, yet today we have been so manipulated that we believe it is the saviour and the only way in which we can continue. So manipulated that we believe it creates prosperity and infrastructure for the people. The system in place has never benefited the people and it never will.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." - Sir Josiah Stamp (A banker and at the time considered to be the second richest man in the country.)
All fair points. I'll address each of them though from my view.
1. Removing lobbyists from corporations
Whilst I see where you are coming from, you have to look at the negative side of this. Politicians are by and large an uneducated bunch of chaps. Don't get me wrong, they are very bright individuals (mostly!) from a good educational background. However, by their very nature they have to be "jacks of all trades" so they tend to know a little about alot. Alot of lobbyists are there to educate ministers on various aspects. For instance one of the organisations that I am part of (The Institution of Mechanical Engineers) lobbys on behalf of all the mechanical engineers in the Country in order to ensure our views are heard. There is nothing corrupt in that. Removing the ability to do that would remove our voice and take away a big chunk of democracy from our society. I accept where you are coming from and agree that things need to be tightened. If lobbying was removed then the fair voices would not be heard, but the corrupt would find another way in.
2. Privatised central banks
Another fair point. I am uncertain which would be worse though - a bank controlled wholly by government or a privatised bank independent from greedy, power hungry politicians. Jury is out on this one for me and I would need to look into it further before I commented one way or another. I am tending to lean towards a privatised bank with heavy restrictions placed on it.
3. Not electing business men into government
Tricky one this - it is us who elected them in in the first place. How do you stop this without taking away our democratic right? Most politicians come from somewhere. I have only dealt with 3 through my work - one is an ex engineer, one is an ex chemistry lecturer and the other is a former businessman having worked with a number of large corporations. We tend to elect MPs based on their views which are all shaped by their past experiences. There are rules though on what business links you can have and I believe that these links have to be made public knowledge. A better solution to achieve what you are trying to say is to tighten up these regulations
4. Not allow corporate backing
I wholeheartedly agree with this in principal, but again it is finding a practical solution. If you ban corporate sponsors then sponsorship comes privately from the directors (if it doesn't already!). How do you differentiate between the director of say Huntingdon Life Sciences donating and the director of Trotter's Independent Trading? Also, reducing sponsorship would reduce the ability of parties to campaign as effectively and ensure that their manifestos and policies are distributed to the whole nation. Again, something needs to be done, but what should be done on a practical level.
6. Charging interest for loaning to the government
At first glance your point seems valid, but I'm not an economist, merely a humble Engineer, and I don't know enough about this to offer up any valid comments at the moment.
Apologies sixfeet if you lumped me in the retard category. I agree change is needed, especially in certain countries! Taking the suggestions you have made at face value though, that would do nothing but make the system worse (with the exception of 6 which I am not sure about). At least now we have a voice with which to make that change. Take away that voice though and we are screwed!
We can all make that change. I get on occasion to speak with various MPs and clerks of the commons on matters relating to Engineering and they are open to suggestions - if you don't open your mouth though they don't know. Also through other avenues such as those that have the ears of MPs (various government funded bodies). They all also have addresses you can write to and 9 times out of 10 you will get a response. To coin a phrase, they work for you! If you want to make a change, you can do. People need to get up off their arses to do so though!
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 00:13:56
all i was saying is you're not going to change anything sitting on your computer writing about it.
if you really want this to change get out there and do something about it
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 00:35:43
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Originally posted by Underloop:
1. Removing lobbyists from corporations
Whilst I see where you are coming from, you have to look at the negative side of this. Politicians are by and large an uneducated bunch of chaps. Don't get me wrong, they are very bright individuals (mostly!) from a good educational background. However, by their very nature they have to be "jacks of all trades" so they tend to know a little about alot. Alot of lobbyists are there to educate ministers on various aspects. For instance one of the organisations that I am part of (The Institution of Mechanical Engineers) lobbys on behalf of all the mechanical engineers in the Country in order to ensure our views are heard. There is nothing corrupt in that. Removing the ability to do that would remove our voice and take away a big chunk of democracy from our society. I accept where you are coming from and agree that things need to be tightened. If lobbying was removed then the fair voices would not be heard, but the corrupt would find another way in.
I said CORPORATE lobbyists Matt my friend. Yours is irrelevant, it's a lobbyist for an educational institute to further it's advancements in technology in it's field. Technology makes our lives easier, the more we nuture it the better our standards of life become.
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Originally posted by Underloop:
2. Privatised central banks
Another fair point. I am uncertain which would be worse though - a bank controlled wholly by government or a privatised bank independent from greedy, power hungry politicians. Jury is out on this one for me and I would need to look into it further before I commented one way or another. I am tending to lean towards a privatised bank with heavy restrictions placed on it.
Define your restrictions? Just restricting the interest they can apply still only makes our entire countries economy into a deficit which can only lead to a recession, just it will happen less often.
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Originally posted by Underloop:
3. Not electing business men into government
Tricky one this - it is us who elected them in in the first place. How do you stop this without taking away our democratic right? Most politicians come from somewhere. I have only dealt with 3 through my work - one is an ex engineer, one is an ex chemistry lecturer and the other is a former businessman having worked with a number of large corporations. We tend to elect MPs based on their views which are all shaped by their past experiences. There are rules though on what business links you can have and I believe that these links have to be made public knowledge. A better solution to achieve what you are trying to say is to tighten up these regulations
Our democratic right doesn't mean we have to vote, it means we have the option to vote. Want to make a difference? Vote for an independant candidate or don't vote at all. I'd rather not vote than choose between to manipulated puppets that are portrayed as polar opposites when they're both pushing the same corporations policies. Our government has mirrored that of America so close it is scary. Democrat/Labour is now pretty much exactly the same as Republican/Conservative but no-one seems to notice. All third parties are ignored or simply ridiculed. It seems most American's have not even heard of Ron Paul yet he is running for President their and has some amazing policies and insight to the manipulation and corruption running rampant. Don't believe in the media that there are differences between Brown/Obama and Cameron/McCain, there isn't anymore. They all have the same puppeteers which then sell them as polar opposites so people won't see the bigger picture through their ignorance.
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Originally posted by Underloop:
4. Not allow corporate backing
I whole heartedly agree with this in principal, but again it is finding a practical solution. If you ban corporate sponsors then sponsorship comes privately from the directors (if it doesn't already!). How do you differentiate between the director of say Huntingdon Life Sciences donating and the director of Trotter's Independent Trading? Also, reducing sponsorship would reduce the ability of parties to campaign as effectively and ensure that their manifestos and policies are distributed to the whole nation. Again, something needs to be done, but what should be done on a practical level.
Limit the amount that can be donated is a pretty simple idea. I'd rather pay a small tax that is distributed evenly among the parties and completely right-off donarions to them. Might cost us a little more it might see but at least then there won't be corporations pulling the strings behind the scene pushing through bills that in the end will cost us far more than a little a month.
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Originally posted by Underloop:
6. Charging interest for loaning to the government
At first glance your point seems valid, but I'm not an economist, merely a humble Engineer, and I don't know enough about this to offer up any valid comments at the moment.
Economics isn't difficult to understand, why it has this huge shroud of extreme difficult is beyond me. How can people not see a valid solution to a coporation controlling an entire country/continent/worlds economy? GET RID OF IT!
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Originally posted by Underloop:
Apologies sixfeet if you lumped me in the retard category. I agree change is needed, especially in certain countries! Taking the suggestions you have made at face value though, that would do nothing but make the system worse (with the exception of 6 which I am not sure about). At least now we have a voice with which to make that change. Take away that voice though and we are screwed!
We can all make that change. I get on occasion to speak with various MPs and clerks of the commons on matters relating to Engineering and they are open to suggestions - if you don't open your mouth though they don't know. Also through other avenues such as those that have the ears of MPs (various government funded bodies). They all also have addresses you can write to and 9 times out of 10 you will get a response. To coin a phrase, they work for you! If you want to make a change, you can do. People need to get up off their arses to do so though!
The government's haven't worked for the people for a long, long time. They work for us? Then why did we go to Iraq when the majority of the UK population voted not to? Why do they continue through taxes to make the gap between the rich and poor wider and wider? That isn't for the people. We are in a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy but it's the men behind the scenes pulling the strings that are ruling not their puppets installed as a front to make the illusion that we have a democracy.
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 00:40:51
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all i was saying is you're not going to change anything sitting on your computer writing about it.
if you really want this to change get out there and do something about it
What the **** are you talking about?
"Sitting at the computer" arugment is ********. I posted in a on message board to enlighten you people to the injustices and manipulation rampant in the system we have forced upon us. It is exactly the same thing as if I went into the middle of my local city telling people the same thing. Doing nothing would have been me not saying anything. I didn't. I took my time to type it out to an audience.
What makes you think that if i did it to people face-to-face I wouldn't just get the same ignorant, insulting yet completely retarded reply I got from you?
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 11:11:44
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Originally posted by simdog:
all i was saying is you're not going to change anything sitting on your computer writing about it.
if you really want this to change get out there and do something about it
Just because he voices his opinion on an OPINION forum, doesnt mean he wants to lead a ****ing resistance against the whole thing - he's jsut voicing his opinion, and it was an intelligent and valid point and all ive seen so far have been people misinterpreting it apart from myself and a few other people who actually "got" it. It seems like a lot of people who have posted in here have no idea what they're talking about and are just posting for the sake of posting.
Also, if he WAS 'going to do something about it' what would you have him do? Go out on foot and tell people face to face his opinion? Coz im pretty sure thats what he's doing here, only to a MUCH larger audience in a MUCH small amount of time. The internet is the biggest form of communication that exists in our lives at the moment, and anyone even willing to do anything on a large scale (which is what he'd be doing if he was 'to do something about it') then they would be stupid NOT to use the internet. At least as the first course of action.
Not only is your point not valid, in retrospect it was nonsensical. And i could say the same thing to a lot of people who have replied to this topic.
For future reference, a lot of you need to read the WHOLE topic, and make sure they understand the discussion thats going on, before you choose to say something very opinionated - not only is it a waste of your time, but it makes you look like an idiot.
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 18:13:44
Whats that i see coming out your ass? Boots? Oh that Andy_Influx he so far up SixFeet's ass i can only see his boots:P
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 18:38:42
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Originally posted by SixFeet:
We're living now in a system where 1% of the world's population own over 40% of the wealth.
A world where over 50% of the worlds population live off less than £1 a day and over 34,000 children die each day from poverty and preventable diseases.
A world where the people voted into office are just puppets to further the agendas of the rampant capitalist organisations. Dick Cheney was on the board of director's for Halliburton, the company that was gifted the entire deal on rebuilding the infrastructure of Iraq. When have business men that are out to seek after profit suitable to apparently run a country?
A system where we can invade countries for vested interests of the people pulling the strings to make profit through the suffering and deaths of others.
A system where we overthrow democratically elected governments and install genocidal dictators that murder millions which are conviently overlooked by the media as they are along with our agendas.
Where the elite fund political elections and then manipulate the candidates to get on board with there outlook and then control the decisions. John McCain as little as 3 years ago was one of the most vocal people about the treatment of PoW's in America, such as never being charged, no chance of release, torture etc. When it came out he was wanting to run for president they threatened to torch him with the voters. Now he has a complete U-turn upon the subject.
Where every single thing is privatised. Water, Electricity, Health Care, Prison, Economical structures, Military, Education. The infrastructure of a country for the people should not be there for someone to make money from, it should be there to help the people.
Where the World Bank and IMF and manipulate entire continents via loans with insanely high interest. When the countries are longer able to pay them back, they force them to privatise their amenities and sell off their resources. The World Bank is owned by the US treasury which has a 51% share stake in it. An example: World Bank in 1968 gave Ecuador large loans. Let's compare the statistics from 1968 to 1998
Poverty:
1968 - 50%
1998 - 70%
Under/Unemployment:
1968 - 15%
1998 - 70%
Public Debt:
1968 - $240,000,000
1998 - $16,000,000,000
Allocation of resources to the poor:
1968 - 20%
1998 - 6%
By the year 2000 50% of Ecudaor's budget had to be allocated to paying these crippling debts brought on by the World bank.
It's sickening. A great example of all this is occuring right now with the Economy and the way they're dealing with it.
When money is made by the treasury it is distributed to the banks. These are simply corporations out to make profit. They make this profit through interest on the loans of which they distribute to me and you. The interest means that extra debt is then added on top of the money made, thus that there is not actually enough money in the system for everyone to actually pay back the banks.
An example:
£1,000,000,000 is added by the treasury into the UK economy. It is distributed to the banks. This £1,000,000,000 is then leant out on loans, mortgages etc. to us but as the bank isn't out to look after the general populace but to make a profit this is leant out at a 10% interest rate. That means £1,100,000,000 is owed back. But only £1,000,000,000 is actually available in the system to repay this debt. This means 1 in 10 people will be bankrupted, forced to sell their possessions and lose their home. It is impossible for this debt to therefore be paid as their is simply not enough money to actually play it. The bank therefore requests extra money be pumped into the economy by the treasury. The circle once again continues. The debt stacks up the more money is actually pumped into the countries economy.
THE ONLY POSSIBLE OUTCOME IS A RECESSION, WHERE SO MUCH DEBT HAS BEEN MADE THAT NO-ONE CAN POSSIBLY REPAY THEIR DEBT.
Welcome to today's economic crisis. And the government that is influenced by corporations running rampant to make profit, they decide the best way is to bail out the banks. Not giving us the settlement to repay our debt, they give it to the banks. The banks that put us in the debt in the first place. This money that will be given to the banks will then again just be loaned out by interest back to us, simply delaying the inevitable.
This system simply makes the elite owning the majority of the global wealth richer and us poorer.
Why do we continue to allow this to occur?
RANT OVER!
It's called capitalism at it's finest... or worst? People need to remember that capitalism requires few people to be rich and many to be poor; it is a system of economy not government which many don't distinguish between. one of the main diferences as viewed by human history is that when the human being is involved in such governing or economic systems such as communism everyone remins equal, that is equally poor and starving whereas in capitalism the majority is still poor and starving but there is that "chance" of making it big. Once enough resources have been exploited the poeple of capitalist societies are blinded by a mask of good intenetions for the people and financial fluidity. Capitalism, at theast the type that we subscribe to in our current affairs is thus ruled through greed of wanting more than is needed and neccesary and fear of being left out of this ladder of aquiring nonsensical possesions.... if you look back through histroy, on average about every 100 years ( a loose 100 years) there is an economic castastrophe in the capitalist societies ( eg, mid 1820's, 1930's GD, and uh oh, looks like were rearing up that time again). This is the way it survives and lucky us, we get to live through something that was promised never to happen again. I guess they hoped we would conveniently forget . Get ready for it !
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Posted - 2008/10/11 : 19:20:15
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Whats that i see coming out your ass? Boots? Oh that Andy_Influx he so far up SixFeet's ass i can only see his boots:P
Great retort. Adds nothing to the topic of discussion, just throwing around insults.
The calling sign of a moron.
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Originally posted by Dj Tripnosis:
It's called capitalism at it's finest... or worst? People need to remember that capitalism requires few people to be rich and many to be poor; it is a system of economy not government which many don't distinguish between. one of the main diferences as viewed by human history is that when the human being is involved in such governing or economic systems such as communism everyone remins equal, that is equally poor and starving whereas in capitalism the majority is still poor and starving but there is that "chance" of making it big. Once enough resources have been exploited the poeple of capitalist societies are blinded by a mask of good intenetions for the people and financial fluidity. Capitalism, at theast the type that we subscribe to in our current affairs is thus ruled through greed of wanting more than is needed and neccesary and fear of being left out of this ladder of aquiring nonsensical possesions.... if you look back through histroy, on average about every 100 years ( a loose 100 years) there is an economic castastrophe in the capitalist societies ( eg, mid 1820's, 1930's GD, and uh oh, looks like were rearing up that time again). This is the way it survives and lucky us, we get to live through something that was promised never to happen again. I guess they hoped we would conveniently forget . Get ready for it !
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The Great Depression was in fact orchestrated by some very shady elites to gain control of the Economy system in America and to purchase entire corporations for peanuts. Plenty to read up on out there, just gotta do a bit of digging.
Also why is it people only seem to think the only possible systems of economic distribution are Capitalism and Communism? They're both equally poor. Some people should read up on Socialism and Libertarianism.
Also governments are in control of the economic structure of a country and how it is distributed. Shame there's always vested interests built in to all governments that are elected these days.
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I agree with you my friend, I think there are some beautifull socialist views and ideas within Libertarianism it is indeed about doing your own digging and reading between the lines as they say. I didn't go into the notion of an orchestrated depression by shady elites as i didn't want it to look like i was coming up with another conspiracy theory having to do with the Rockefeller's and or Illuminati.. but I do in fact agree with what you have said
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Posted - 2008/10/12 : 09:08:59
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Originally posted by Underloop:
1. Removing lobbyists from corporations
I said CORPORATE lobbyists Matt my friend. Yours is irrelevant, it's a lobbyist for an educational institute to further it's advancements in technology in it's field. Technology makes our lives easier, the more we nuture it the better our standards of life become.
I stick to my points though about essentially where there is a will there is a way ie the corporations will still lobby behind the scenes. Also, how do you practically define a corporation? Obviously charitable status only allowing the likes of the IMechE (my organisation) and Greenpeace etc to continue lobbying would be one way, but what is to stop large coporations setting up offshoots for their training centres (for example) and using these to lobby Government? Large corporations who deal day-to-day with the Government also have the ear of the government so can lobby on a private basis still. Also, large corporations essentially control the economy (I know that is what you are trying to argue against but bear with me). If Government legislation is going to damage the corporation (and hence the economy) then surely it is right that they should lobby their view. Going down this route, whilst it may achieve your desired end effect, it opens the doors to more corruption rather than openness and if it didn't then it would essentially destroy the economy for it to be built back up again. I wouldn't buy into that.
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2. Privatised central banks
Define your restrictions? Just restricting the interest they can apply still only makes our entire countries economy into a deficit which can only lead to a recession, just it will happen less often.
Restrictions in terms of staff bonuses for example. Like I say though, its not something I've given enough thought to in order to comment to any depth. All I know is that I'm not sure if giving absolute economic power to government is a good idea.
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3. Not electing business men into government
Our democratic right doesn't mean we have to vote, it means we have the option to vote. Want to make a difference? Vote for an independant candidate or don't vote at all. I'd rather not vote than choose between to manipulated puppets that are portrayed as polar opposites when they're both pushing the same corporations policies. Our government has mirrored that of America so close it is scary. Democrat/Labour is now pretty much exactly the same as Republican/Conservative but no-one seems to notice. All third parties are ignored or simply ridiculed. It seems most American's have not even heard of Ron Paul yet he is running for President their and has some amazing policies and insight to the manipulation and corruption running rampant. Don't believe in the media that there are differences between Brown/Obama and Cameron/McCain, there isn't anymore. They all have the same puppeteers which then sell them as polar opposites so people won't see the bigger picture through their ignorance.
I disagree on the third party comment. Lib Dems are growing in popularity and the fringe parties such as the Green Party and even the BNP (which for the record I do not support in any way shape or form) are also growing in popularity. It won't happen overnight, but it is happening. I can't speak for the US.
As for not voting - I would rather that all the educated people did vote whichever way they felt best than didn't vote and left the non/mis-informed general public to vote the same way their family has done for years. Not voting is not making a good difference, it is simply leaving the election to a lottery.
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4. Not allow corporate backing
Limit the amount that can be donated is a pretty simple idea. I'd rather pay a small tax that is distributed evenly among the parties and completely right-off donarions to them. Might cost us a little more it might see but at least then there won't be corporations pulling the strings behind the scene pushing through bills that in the end will cost us far more than a little a month.
It wouldn't be a little bit more sixfeet mate, it would be a significant amount. We pay enough on tax already and poverty in the uk is on the increase with rising fuel prices and cost of living. Adding to the tax bill is a very bad thing! Re-distribution of current tax could be done, but then what suffers?Public spending so less gets spent on policing, nhs etc.... is that a good thing? I don't think so.
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6. Charging interest for loaning to the government
Economics isn't difficult to understand, why it has this huge shroud of extreme difficult is beyond me. How can people not see a valid solution to a coporation controlling an entire country/continent/worlds economy? GET RID OF IT!
Don't mis-quote me. I didn't say I didn't understand, I said I didn't know enough about the implications on the economy, merely because I haven't looked into it in any depth. I like to take a balanced, informed view of things. Whilst removing interest sounds good, there WILL be implications, but how deep those will stretch I am not sure. I spend most of my time working on either developing myself in terms of being an engineer or else improving the Engineering industry.
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The government's haven't worked for the people for a long, long time. They work for us? Then why did we go to Iraq when the majority of the UK population voted not to? Why do they continue through taxes to make the gap between the rich and poor wider and wider? That isn't for the people. We are in a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy but it's the men behind the scenes pulling the strings that are ruling not their puppets installed as a front to make the illusion that we have a democracy.
Agreed there are issues with the democracy - like how Gordon Brown is in power when he was not voted in, but it was Blair that did get elected in. The rules are all there for us to see, and for those that didn't see through Blair's smarmy smile and voted for him, that is the price we pay. Yes, the system could be improved and I would like to see those improvements. We all have a voice with which we can change the system. Write to your local MP - you may be surprised when you speak to them.
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Posted - 2008/10/14 : 03:41:14
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Originally posted by simdog:
all i was saying is you're not going to change anything sitting on your computer writing about it.
if you really want this to change get out there and do something about it
What the **** are you talking about?
"Sitting at the computer" arugment is ********. I posted in a on message board to enlighten you people to the injustices and manipulation rampant in the system we have forced upon us. It is exactly the same thing as if I went into the middle of my local city telling people the same thing. Doing nothing would have been me not saying anything. I didn't. I took my time to type it out to an audience.
What makes you think that if i did it to people face-to-face I wouldn't just get the same ignorant, insulting yet completely retarded reply I got from you?
wow, maybe if you channelled your energy into doing something about it, like you know, "fighting the power" and "stomping the man" instead of sitting around telling people how stupid they are maybe you'd get somewhere.
you're nothing but a lazy twat with nothing else to do than bitch about YOUR "system" why don't you get out and vote? maybe run for some sort of office?
Put up
or
Shut up.
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TypeR
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Posted - 2008/10/14 : 03:44:23
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Originally posted by DjHinata:
ppl always ask about how im going to get by w/ just DJing, and i tell them: i honestly don't care if i hafta live paycheck to paycheck. just as long as im doing what i love and making ppl happy with it. i honestly can't imagine working some job i don't feel passionalte about, even if the moneys great.
as a dj i've made only $500 this year. trust me, you want to find an actual job. average gig is fifty bucks, coupled that with about 15 to 20 gigs a year equals not enough to live off of.
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DjHinata
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Posted - 2008/10/15 : 00:40:45
yeah, this has been brought to my attention, and 500$ p/year DEFINATLY isn't enoughto live off of...whelp...*goes to a career finding website* back to the ole' drawing board...hehe
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