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damo.2008
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 Posted - 2009/06/17 : 22:53:56
Theres hundreds of sites out there with tracks millions of people are file sharing thats been ripped of vinyl , just search on google . Ino that people dont make much money but thats tough aint it . If producers sold like 1 cd and someone fileshared that to people then more and more and more people will fileshare and the producers wont make no money at all wich is not fair really. Producers put alot of time and effort in making there CD's , Vinyls and tracks . They put the time in it to make the artwork aswell. There spending that much time and effort to give people new music and people are just filesharing , they have wasted there time and wont make no money. Were they have been making things for nothing they could of got a brilliant job with good wages but instead there making newer things for us , so really i dont think it is fair that we do file share . You dont really need the full track and full quality , theres hundreds of tracks out there thats only 60kbps but it's still a listen aint it , just search for tracks yourself because no one will fileshare with you .. Support the artists for all there doing for people. And im sure you could get a job to get money or goto college or university to make some money , most cd's and tracks now are less than 2.00 . Imodownload.com is cheap not much money at all , I-tunes is also cheap for some tracks..........................................................................................................................
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silver
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 02:55:10
We don't ban based on personal opinion, only if you don't follow the rules after warnings.
In a perfect world all music would be free to download and musicians are millionaires or whatever but until that happens you need to understand the basis of how a musician continues to making music as a living.
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choonland
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 03:07:44
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 04:50:26
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Originally posted by Nav:
If a generation grows up thinking that piracy is wrong, then it is. If the generation does not believe it is wrong, then it's not wrong. "Right and Wrong" were invented by people. When the overwhelming majority of people in the world think that something is right, it probably is, and vice versa.
You cannot be serious.
What about the overwhelming problems with racism almost ALL over the world - dating back a LONG time. Sure, in hindsight we all know it's wrong NOW - but at it's peak, nobody gave a shit. Does that make it okay? **** no it doesn't.
**** dating back even longer - what about the witch trials? A LOT of innocent people killed for the sake of finding 'witches'. In hindsight, sounds ****ing idiotic, but at the time they thought it was right. Does that make it okay? **** no it doesn't.
The same thing is going to happen with the music industry. When the only generation that is left is one that doesn't think they need to pay for music, a lot of music is going to disappear. And you'll be sitting there going "****.... maybe we do need to pay for music"
Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 04:53:41
TheOnlyOne: ofcourse it's a problem, but it's a problem the music industry created themselfs not looking at the technology before it's too late.
It's already been shown that both the music and movie industry shoon (?) new technology.
The artists hated the grammophone discs when they came, blaming it on that it would steal their perfomances (and yet, we still have live perfomances today?). and then came the tape, and then the CD. All the same ********, and yet, great sales. Yet... digital seems to the the anti-music? It's just another step in evolution.
The movie industry was PIRATES at the early 1900, bcause they didnt want to pay Thomas A Edison heaps pf money for him to produce movies, so they moved from New York to Los Angeles (by infriging on THomas Edison's patents and copyrighted machines).
Adny, You make it sound like Artists are the devils, by comparing them to Witches, when it's the Music Industry that's on the witchhunt.
Do remember that it's the MUSIC INDUSTRY (and Metallica) that spews out all the crap of the billions of losts for Artists, while some artists (NiN) seems to do... pretty well without the industry
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Nav
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 05:19:24
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Originally posted by silver:
We don't ban based on personal opinion, only if you don't follow the rules after warnings.
Thank you for being fair. :)
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
You cannot be serious.
What about the overwhelming problems with racism almost ALL over the world - dating back a LONG time. Sure, in hindsight we all know it's wrong NOW - but at it's peak, nobody gave a shit. Does that make it okay? **** no it doesn't.
**** dating back even longer - what about the witch trials? A LOT of innocent people killed for the sake of finding 'witches'. In hindsight, sounds ****ing idiotic, but at the time they thought it was right. Does that make it okay? **** no it doesn't.
The same thing is going to happen with the music industry. When the only generation that is left is one that doesn't think they need to pay for music, a lot of music is going to disappear. And you'll be sitting there going "****.... maybe we do need to pay for music"
Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
I'm not talking about hindsight. In hindsight, things that look right at the time become wrong, and vice versa. For all you know, pirates will be venerated in the future, and artists who signed with labels will be laughed at.
No, I'm not talking about hindsight. I'm talking about the future. Your examples apply to what I was saying as well. At the time, everyone thought witch hunts were good. However, times changed and views changed, and now people think that it is not correct. It also goes the other way, as Samination stated.
Just because something seems unacceptable now does not mean that it will always be unacceptable, as PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO DECIDE WHETHER SOMETHING IS CORRECT OR NOT. If the people decide that an action is bad, as they did in BOTH of your examples, than it becomes bad. It also goes the other way.
People will make music whether they're getting paid or not. It's a form of artistic expression that has been turned into a business by people who want money more than they want an outlet for their creativity. Look back to the roots of electronic music: House music. Did the people in Chicago invent house to make money? No, they did it because they wanted a form of expression. Did the original blues singers sing for money? No, they did it to show the world how they felt. People make music because they want to share something with others. If the only thing that motivates an artist is money, then he or she probably shouldn't be an artist at all.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 06:20:28
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Originally posted by Nav:People will make music whether they're getting paid or not. It's a form of artistic expression that has been turned into a business by people who want money more than they want an outlet for their creativity. Look back to the roots of electronic music: House music. Did the people in Chicago invent house to make money? No, they did it because they wanted a form of expression. Did the original blues singers sing for money? No, they did it to show the world how they felt. People make music because they want to share something with others. If the only thing that motivates an artist is money, then he or she probably shouldn't be an artist at all.
I don't believe that. Ofcourse music is a form of art, but in reality, there exists jobs that started out as hobbies of some, and then became some kind of large(r) scaled work. I can't come up with any examples atm
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 06:48:58
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Originally posted by Nav:
If a generation grows up thinking that piracy is wrong, then it is. If the generation does not believe it is wrong, then it's not wrong. "Right and Wrong" were invented by people. When the overwhelming majority of people in the world think that something is right, it probably is, and vice versa.
I know i said i would stay out but the topic has changed, and i honestly can't believe what i just read.
Back 500 years ago to when the generation believed the world was flat. Were they right?
When the Earth was the centre of the universe, were they correct just because they believed it?
Was the incarceration of Galileo right?
When Aristotle said there were only five elements, was he right, because that is what the following generations believed?
When the whole world knew that God existed, were they wrong? But God must have existed, because they believed it. And if God was Omnipotent and immortal, which they believed, the God Still exists, and is still omnipotent and immortal - that is a consequence of being such, if your omnipotent you stay omnipotent, if your immortal you stay immortal
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I'm not talking about hindsight. In hindsight, things that look right at the time become wrong, and vice versa.
Just because something looks right at the time, doesnt mean it is.
There is a term in Australia, that stands for a sequence of events that occured to a group of people living here. That term is "The Stolen Generation". At the time the white people thought what they were doing was right. With the benefit of hindsight and increasing knowledge, the people realised what they were doing was actually very wrong. It was stopped. And then last year, the Prime Minister apologised to the effected people.
It was wrong at the time. Just because what they thought what they were doing was right did not make it right. They realised that it was wrong and that it had always been wrong. And then they apologised. If it was not wrong at the time, but became wrong later, there would be no need to apologise.
Any why stop at a generation? Why cant it be what one person believes is correct, is right for that person. If something is right for a generation because the generation believes it, why cant something be right for a singular person if the person believes it.
I think that murder is right. Therefore I am right because i think i am right, and I should be safe from prosecution for when i do murder someone, because i believe what i did was right.
Youv'e gone back to the fairies and unicorns mate.
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Edited by - Lilley on 2009/06/18 07:08:41 |
Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 09:39:44
There's no exact truth, not in science, and not in morals either.
Do you think Hitler ordered the death of millions o jews for fun? No, because what he believed was the truth, was the truth for him? And most of the world wanted to stop him because they believed he was wrong about the truth.
TBH, I think smaller scenes are feeling the pain of the larger scenes misstakes, since bigger is always knows better right? (exact truth or not?)
Don't get me wrong. Even tho I am (seemingly) pro-filesharing, I'm, also for artists getting their pay for their work. The mayor reason I'm still sharing Hardcore, is because of the songs that haven't been transfered to the digital age, or stopped being pressed years ago. Should we really let these old gems to be "deleted" for all eternity, just because the original producer/copyright owner doesn't activily making it availible? Is that an artist, who (usually) strives to let as many people as possible hear his works, really want? IS this what you really want?
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 09:51:50
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Originally posted by Samination:
Do you think Hitler ordered the death of millions o jews for fun? No, because what he believed was the truth, was the truth for him?
pfft. he did it simply coz he hated them, who knows what he told himself to be able to get to sleep each night.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 12:05:34
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Originally posted by Lilley:
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Originally posted by Samination:
Do you think Hitler ordered the death of millions o jews for fun? No, because what he believed was the truth, was the truth for him?
pfft. he did it simply coz he hated them, who knows what he told himself to be able to get to sleep each night.
"God's going to thank me for this, monstrosecity"
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Lilley
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 12:48:18
"They dont believe Jesus died and rose again?! This'll teach 'em..."
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Nav
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 14:19:10
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Originally posted by Samination:
Do you think Hitler ordered the death of millions o jews for fun? No, because what he believed was the truth, was the truth for him? And most of the world wanted to stop him because they believed he was wrong about the truth.
You said it yourself: the majority of the world disagreed. Therefore it is wrong.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 14:32:45
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Originally posted by Lilley:
"They dont believe Jesus died and rose again?! This'll teach 'em..."
quoting the introduction of the first stage on Altered Beasts (Sega Arcade,megadrive)
"Rise from the grave"... but then, the last boss (which appears on all levels) always says "Meet your doom"
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atomsk
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Posted - 2009/06/18 : 16:02:22
wow this is kinda getting out of hand, why do you need to bring killing people, hitler, god/jesus, witch's/ect, all into this?
i kinda feels like you are attacking a few people on this(mainly nav getting attacked)
this wasnt ment to be a hate fest, i was just wandering what peoples opinion was...
i hope this discussion doesn't go on this badlyanymore, i dont want to have this locked, just please stop flaming people
heres a movie you guys should watch about file sharing, i seen it a few months back, need to re-see it, its free cuz thats what they wanted it to be....
http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/
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