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TheOneNOnly
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 Posted - 2009/04/28 : 22:41:39
That really, truly sucks.
Seriously? You can't find a school not heavily christian based?
How much crap is that. I went to church for 17 years of my life when I was with my family, but never was truly religious. Thankfully I was never forced to go to a catholic school when growing up, and got to go to public school. I would of seriously just dropped out of school.
Why force something onto someone when they don't want it? Especially at such a young age. Children are easily motivated. Guarantee you can change a kids opinion easily, but try to do it to a teen that doesn't believe in what you do, you'll probably get blown off. I hate that they, I REALLY hate using this word because it seems to negative, inject these things into their minds.
I agree 750% that you should let someone choose on THEIR morals, THEIR beliefs, and THEIR Code of Conduct when they're old enough to make it for themselves. Forcing something onto someone isn't right; just like Christians don't like it when someone tries to talk about another religion they want to hear nothing about it. They'll blow it off, or just start telling you on how you're wrong and they're right. Yet they see no problem in putting their religion on everyone else.
Let someone choose THEMSELVES. It's their life, not yours. So what does it matter if they choose something against your belief? Doesn't effect you in anyway if they believe in Buddha, or Alah. Seriously.
Lol, sorry.
Now I'm agnostic, but when I read that I got pretty mad. I still don't truly think religious freedom exists even in America. Though we are able to go to schools without Religion in them, thankfully, but it's still everywhere else. Like on our money, lol.
I'm truly heavy, heavy, heavy based on you can practice ANY religion you $%^&ing want as long as it doesn't impede on my rights. That includes leaving me the hell alone because I don't want to listen to your rabble frabble on how I'm going to hell because I don't believe in your religion, or am in the wrong one.
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 22:52:14
Are Google ads based on what we're talking about? Seriously?
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 23:16:04
lol, indeed, they do spit out some unusual things somtimes
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 23:39:03
I went to a catholic church, both Primary & Secondary & i'm so glad my mum & dad decided to do so. I was also goin to church every sunday till I was 16 (like Vitalism) but stopped because couldn't stand the place but I still came away with values from the catholic way of life & I wouldn't have wanted it any other way.
Religion being pushed down peoples throats is very important IMO because no-one would make the choice to be religious in the first place. But I also think that Religion can seperate cultures in the process which is never a good thing either.
I just think having some religious values is very important to a child growing up as it helps them make better decisions from whats right & wrong as they've been taught growing up & its always in the back of their minds.
Its totally up to you mate but one thing I will say is, don't home school him. In this multi cultural world, that last thing you want to do is shield him away from it all. He has to get out there & mix whatever happens
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Posted - 2009/04/28 : 23:48:08
I think that's total bull, if you ask me Ken.
I learned what is right and wrong from my parents, and family members growing up. Not from church.
The only thing I came away from church was if I do something bad I'll go to hell, which I didn't believe in. So I don't see how that helped me at all.
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 07:35:02
well, those are some interesting views ken :)
and while i may not agree with them - and just to bring it round to what i was originally saying..
who decides which religion is forced down some ones throats?..i mean, you cant push christianity down a hindu's throat..and nobody would suggest that..
you might say the parents decide what religion - but who is to say that they are going to pick one that conforms to social norms...
"because no-one would make the choice to be religious in the first place"
hmmm, are you sure about that one? that suggests to me that the only reason they are in a relgion in the first place is because of brainwashing hehe
anyway back to my initial point, im the parent, i dont want a religious preference pushed down my sons throat ...it doesnt matter if its christian, or judaism..or any other religion, i dont think at his age its fair to do that.
but yeah i really dont want to have to home school him..
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 09:19:42
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
well, who said i was an atheist? :)
I read between lines :P
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who decides which religion is forced down some ones throats?
Tradition, at least here. Same way as you force your culture down hes throat, your customs, your everything.
I also might have so diffrent views then you on christianity, because around here (evangelic lutheran) religion is sort of a private thing. You never hear anyone talking about god and jesus and whatnot, like e.g. many Americans do. I remember only one time in my life that ive heard someone say to me e.g. "god bless you" (outside of a church), still 80% of people here belong to the evangelical lutheran church.
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 09:39:06
im afraid im not an atheist, and imo because of what i believe and how i believe it i feel that the relgion i am doesnt come into this.
as for tradition i would say that england and finland must differ there a little, as tradition doesnt so much come into it here..it would appear that christianity in particular gets whored because the church have their hand in funding operations like the schools..
besides, letting a child get equal knowledge of everything isnt forcing - thats just freedom.
take music for example, i wouldnt just force one style on him, he will grow up listening to everything, and deciding what he likes as per what his own personality reflects..
regardless of what is said here - the absolute bottom line is I am the parent, I should be deciding on this issue, not the school and not anyone else.
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 10:18:17
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Originally posted by DjTriquatra:
regardless of what is said here - the absolute bottom line is I am the parent, I should be deciding on this issue, not the school and not anyone else.
...and agree compleatly with this.
Also about the tradition, people here seem to forget what even godparents are, because often there comes a situation that someone has resigned from the church, and didnt realise that s/he cant be a godparent since its a purely religion based tradition. So when their asked to be godparents they need to register to the church again :P Same way as e.g baptism is viewed by many as just an event where the child gets a name.
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 10:31:26
:) i also feel that aitheist is a really annoying word to spell...
..*atheist
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 11:02:19
lol yarr
i dont have godparents even though my parents are/were in the salvation army - mum and dad felt that they had had enough children we could look after each other lol (there are 5 of us in all)
the christianing baptism thing is interesting - after oliver was born, one young person asked me "when is he going to be christened?..."
because of the way they were brought up - it hasnt even occured to them that some people dont get christened...
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 11:12:42
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lol yarr
i dont have godparents even though my parents are/were in the salvation army - mum and dad felt that they had had enough children we could look after each other lol (there are 5 of us in all)
the christianing baptism thing is interesting - after oliver was born, one young person asked me "when is he going to be christened?..."
because of the way they were brought up - it hasnt even occured to them that some people dont get christened...
Ah, didnt realise these even vary between countries. Here everyone have to have 2 godparents, who will help with the "religious teachings" and take care of the child if something happens to the parents (though that isnt backed up by the law). When someone becomes a godparent, it cant be undone, its like forever (well untill s/he is 15 and has overgone Confirmation).
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 11:53:17
It is unfair, even a little sinister if you look at it that way.
I went to a middle school that forced christianity on me at every possible opportunity but at least at that age i already knew enough to make up my own mind. Junior/infant schools doing the same is a whole different proposition so i really feel for you mate.
I'm not anti-religion at all but there should be more choice available at a young age.
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 12:47:55
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Religion being pushed down peoples throats is very important IMO because no-one would make the choice to be religious in the first place.
ken, i think your a great guy and i respect you alot, but that is probably one of the most rediculous things ive ever heard man...
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 16:33:44
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Originally posted by djkenmasters:
Religion being pushed down peoples throats is very important IMO because no-one would make the choice to be religious in the first place.
ken, i think your a great guy and i respect you alot, but that is probably one of the most rediculous things ive ever heard man...
Think about the world we now live in mate. Its going to s**t! Children these days don't have any religious values what so ever. They're walking around like zombies desperately trying to belong to something & when they do find something it always seems to turn out bad.
People may not like Religion being forced down their throats but without it the world would be a much worse place IMO (<<<notice the IMO. This is what I believe you may not) Religion in a community kept some sort of control (good or bad) over the anarchy that is human beings.
The world we live in today is on a serious downward spiral & IMO its because Religion has lost grasp's of the younger generation. I'll use Glasgow as an example. Around 60 years ago Religion was peoples lifes. It kept them in check & you may not agree that this was a good thing but you can't deny that it helped. Look at Glasgow now that Religion is just a figure of the past. The place is over run with absolute no users! Junkie scum that are bringing more children up into their f**ked up world. There is no hope anymore.
No sex before marriage played a HUGE role in keeping society stable & without it we've got Children having Children. Kids getting abandoned because their mum & dad aren't anymore mature than they are. Religions predicted this & that's why the set certain standards. Without it were just wild animals. We need guiding & rules & ok. It might seperate us from other cultures & religions but its a small price to pay to stop the anarchy of Britian today.
Again, this is MY views. When it comes to things like religion I don't expect people understand where i'm coming from but this is what I believe is wrong with society today. Also, this is coming from someone who doesn't practice his religion anymore. I'm not religious at all anymore but its not hard to see that Religion HAD a grasp on society which was keeping us in check. You've got to be cruel to be kind i'm afraid
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