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Ken Masters
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 Posted - 2009/04/29 : 16:43:52
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"because no-one would make the choice to be religious in the first place"
hmmm, are you sure about that one? that suggests to me that the only reason they are in a relgion in the first place is because of brainwashing hehe
yeah. thats exactly what it is mate. Brainwashing. Its brainwashing that this country needs if its to get itself back in check IMO. You can't deny that parts of this country have gone to s**t over the past 20years & Religion is is as weak as ever. This isn't coincidence. Its pretty obvious to see what role Religion played in out country. Its the reason we are the Britian we are today
I've not been so involved in a topic like this in a good while now  nice one Rowan 
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 16:47:28
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now that Religion is just a figure of the past. The place is over run with absolute no users! Junkie scum that are bringing more children up into their f**ked up world.
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No sex before marriage played a HUGE role in keeping society stable & without it we've got Children having Children. Kids getting abandoned because their mum & dad aren't anymore mature than they are.
hmm
are you saying this is going to happen to my child? and that i am junkie scum because i dont follow christianity? and that because im not yet married im as mature as my child?
i dont think you are trying to say that - but the thing is, i am exactly one of those people who will not be forcing any religion on my child..
who will be very well educated and well brought up with rights and wrongs installed in him and a sense of logic and reason..and an independant brain that will be able to make choices on his own..
i think the chaos you're refering to is a direct result mal-education/lack of education and low income familys, not lack of religion...
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 16:50:53
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Religion being pushed down peoples throats is very important IMO because no-one would make the choice to be religious in the first place.
ken, i think your a great guy and i respect you alot, but that is probably one of the most rediculous things ive ever heard man...
Think about the world we now live in mate. Its going to s**t! Children these days don't have any religious values what so ever. They're walking around like zombies desperately trying to belong to something & when they do find something it always seems to turn out bad.
the same can be said that the world is going to shit because of religion. where do you think hate crimes and terrorism attacks stem from? the majority of these extremists do these things because they say it's part of their religion. I can go on into detail and stuff like that but i don't want to i just woke up.
but i honestly think that all we really need from religion in school are the basic common sense things like the 10 commandments, and just basic good morals and ethics. either way the basics should be covered at home, by the parents. school is there to give unbiased factual teaching, whereas it is up to the parents to teach their children what is right from wrong. you can't expect kids to learn everything in the world just from school, and i sure as hell don't want my children learning it at a religious school
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 16:53:26
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Originally posted by djkenmasters:I've not been so involved in a topic like this in a good while now nice one Rowan
this has turned out to be quite a topic! lol
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 17:07:56
It's strange reading this topic because in my school we get a balanced view on all religions! Probably learn more about Islam than Christianity! I totally understand what your saying Ken and maybe if we all did follow religion teenage pregnancy rates would fall! It would be interesting to see... If you force one religion onto a child when they are young surely it is most likely they will follow that religion up to a certain age...as some people have said they stopped going church when they reached 16 or whatever age because when you grow up you start to find out about all these other religions and about other 'theories' which suddenly make you see what you want to follow . When first starting school i doubt you could send your kid in and say make your own decisions about what religion you wana follow when there like 6? Surely theres a school near you which isnt 'non christian' but is simply un-biased? :S Maybe you should ask the school if your child will get taught about other religions and if not what other schools are there that do teach other religions?
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 17:16:53
all schools in england will teach other religons as its in the ciriculum.
like i said earlyer, i would say its more a direct result mal-education/lack of education and low income familys, not lack of religion when it comes to underage pregency and all the doom and gloom.
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 17:23:22
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It's strange reading this topic because in my school we get a balanced view on all religions!
Same... Maybe it's dependant on where you live in the UK? I'm quite near London/Oxford etc. so it would be understandable that the schools don’t press a certain religion on people.
I’m quite shocked to here there are any schools left pushing Christian view tbh! A lot of the schools down here have banned Xmas decorations, Xmas plays and other Christian traditions so not to offend people of other religions.
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 17:42:37
don,t really understand this,how can you bring up a child without it being some kind of religion?
perfect example being trying 2 get a school,as i thought all schools were broke up into religion catholic,protestant e.t.c but thats prob cause i live in northern ireland lol
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 17:58:47
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are you saying this is going to happen to my child? and that i am junkie scum because i dont follow christianity? and that because im not yet married im as mature as my child?
no,no,no,no, what i'm trying to get @ is IMO religion plays a very big part in shaping the world we live in today. It will always have its bad points but also its good points & should balance itself out so that everyone has a better way of life.
I agree with what your saying though mate. Parents play a huge role in bringing up a child. More important then Religion but I also like to think that my Catholic upbringing really helped me aswell as I took alot of good morals from the catholic way of life & I don't think i'd be the man I am today without it.
This is just what I believe. There's no way everyone will agree with what i'm saying but i'm not the type to let things go unsaid. I like to voice my opinion & open my mind to what others have to say in reply
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 18:27:15
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Originally posted by sophie.HTID:
It's strange reading this topic because in my school we get a balanced view on all religions!
Same... Maybe it's dependant on where you live in the UK? I'm quite near London/Oxford etc. so it would be understandable that the schools don’t press a certain religion on people.
I’m quite shocked to here there are any schools left pushing Christian view tbh! A lot of the schools down here have banned Xmas decorations, Xmas plays and other Christian traditions so not to offend people of other religions.
I live quite near london, bedfordshire :) must be an area thing? We still have christmas decs here tho :P
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 18:30:23
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don,t really understand this,how can you bring up a child without it being some kind of religion?
perfect example being trying 2 get a school,as i thought all schools were broke up into religion catholic,protestant e.t.c but thats prob cause i live in northern ireland lol
I was brought up with no religous influences :) no one in my family has any particular religion which they follow and i was never spoke to about religion lol :)
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 18:37:58
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I live quite near london, bedfordshire :) must be an area thing? We still have christmas decs here tho :P
Ah yeah that's pretty close. We still had Xmas dec's at my school but I had heard of a few that didn't. Think it's a bit silly personally.
I don't really think religion is necessary at all. I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to believe if they wish but you don't need a religious upbringing to be a good person. You just need to be taught good values.
It's better to be a good person because you want to be, not because you thing there is some prize or punishment for the way you act.
*edit* woops, I'm in the wrong account. :P
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 20:23:59
I strongly disagree with u ken, u think we need brainwashing to keep the world in shape? exactly like nazis that is, or capitalism, the world is pretty damn brainwashed and thats not a good thing, christianity is formed to suit a a few like capitalism, and teaches that one "guy" in the clouds are a judgemental maniac who creates people and judge if they go to hell if they dont follow certain rules. its ****ing crazy lots of cash go to churches who really does nothing but brainwash. u really think having forced one view of the world is the path to a good world? i think its more the oppisite
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 21:20:09
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I strongly disagree with u ken, u think we need brainwashing to keep the world in shape? exactly like nazis that is, or capitalism, the world is pretty damn brainwashed and thats not a good thing, christianity is formed to suit a a few like capitalism, and teaches that one "guy" in the clouds are a judgemental maniac who creates people and judge if they go to hell if they dont follow certain rules. its ****ing crazy lots of cash go to churches who really does nothing but brainwash. u really think having forced one view of the world is the path to a good world? i think its more the oppisite
Its ironic that most of what you said, is what Martin Luther opposed on the roman catholic church. Over 80% of Norwegians belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway ;)
Also ive reseaved 2 letters form the church (where i'm actually registered, invitations to some happenings) in the past several years. Apart from that, no harrassing or nothing. Hardly brainwashing, since ive seen a lot more from atheists trying to convince me to resign from the church in the same timespan :P
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Posted - 2009/04/29 : 21:28:09
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I strongly disagree with u ken, u think we need brainwashing to keep the world in shape? exactly like nazis that is, or capitalism, the world is pretty damn brainwashed and thats not a good thing, christianity is formed to suit a a few like capitalism, and teaches that one "guy" in the clouds are a judgemental maniac who creates people and judge if they go to hell if they dont follow certain rules. its ****ing crazy lots of cash go to churches who really does nothing but brainwash. u really think having forced one view of the world is the path to a good world? i think its more the oppisite
Its ironic that most of what you said, is what Martin Luther opposed on the roman catholic church. Over 80% of Norwegians belong to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway ;)
Also ive reseaved 2 letters form the church (where i'm actually registered, invitations to some happenings) in the past several years. Apart from that, no harrassing or nothing. Hardly brainwashing, since ive seen a lot more from atheists trying to convince me to resign from the church in the same timespan :P
I dont think atheism is good either, like denying that theres even of chance that theres something more "out there" or here, then what u usally sense.
Like ur only here in the moment, and u just assume that the info get is what it is, how can we really know anything at all. all we really know is experience of the moment.
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