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jenks
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 Posted - 2009/05/02 : 18:29:00
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Originally posted by Naturatech:
yeah, once again the controversy...
I've heard that most music artists (the big names at least) make their huge fortunes mostly from touring and live acts, rather than selling cds, so this leads me to the question: ¿why should I buy legal stuff if they are already rich enough with the money from touring?
same with movies, big film studios recover their investment and gain millions and millions only with the tickets in theathers, so why bother buying legal DVDs?
I don't see what one has to do with the other. Stealing is stealing whether you're taking from a tramp or Bill Gates.
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Posted - 2009/05/02 : 19:14:43
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Originally posted by Naturatech:
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
Well it depends, i dont associate myself with Filesharing, i buy everything.. I think it's ****ing pathetic if someone file shares Hardcore.. Not saying you do, but just in general.
i don't fileshare anymore, but i confess I used to, in fact if it wasn't for filesharing I would never have known hardcore in the first place, and I'm sure same happened to a lot of people out there
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also, I DO think hardcore artists should be paid (hell, I want to be paid for my tracks too), but some of you guys have told me in other threads that you can't really make a living and pay the bills selling tracks, so... why charge for them? most of us make hardcore because we love to, and can't stop doing it, not because we wanna earn money....
i completely disagree,
all that "Cant pay the bills" nonsense is true, its not like you're going to make a living from Hardcore unless you're Hixxy, but how does that make you say that just because producers dont get paid enough, we should sell tracks that we put alot of time and effort and love in for free? Why charge for them? Because it's keeping Hardcore alive! That'd be a pointless scene, people making music for no money. I couldn't disagree with you more
wouldn't it be a more sincere scene instead?
at least to me, it would be more meaningful to know that lots of people around the world are listening my music, instead of earning a very little money, and a very little people listening...
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Starstruck
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Posted - 2009/05/02 : 19:43:26
how would it be a sincere scene if everyone was scabbing the tracks for free?
i think the scene's sincerity depends on that of the "customers" or consumers.. or anyone who respect Hardcore enough to pay a couple of bux for a track.
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2009/05/02 : 20:46:07
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Originally posted by Naturatech:
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
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Originally posted by Naturatech:
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
Well it depends, i dont associate myself with Filesharing, i buy everything.. I think it's ****ing pathetic if someone file shares Hardcore.. Not saying you do, but just in general.
i don't fileshare anymore, but i confess I used to, in fact if it wasn't for filesharing I would never have known hardcore in the first place, and I'm sure same happened to a lot of people out there
*edit*
also, I DO think hardcore artists should be paid (hell, I want to be paid for my tracks too), but some of you guys have told me in other threads that you can't really make a living and pay the bills selling tracks, so... why charge for them? most of us make hardcore because we love to, and can't stop doing it, not because we wanna earn money....
i completely disagree,
all that "Cant pay the bills" nonsense is true, its not like you're going to make a living from Hardcore unless you're Hixxy, but how does that make you say that just because producers dont get paid enough, we should sell tracks that we put alot of time and effort and love in for free? Why charge for them? Because it's keeping Hardcore alive! That'd be a pointless scene, people making music for no money. I couldn't disagree with you more
wouldn't it be a more sincere scene instead?
at least to me, it would be more meaningful to know that lots of people around the world are listening my music, instead of earning a very little money, and a very little people listening...
but whos to say more people will be listening to your music just because its free,more people will listen to it if its good wether its free or you charge a few quid for your track
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Posted - 2009/05/02 : 23:43:58
You'd soon change your views if your only income was through selling your tunes.
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 07:11:46
I will say it again and I will keep saying it. Stealing is stealing, but what is stolen?
Wow. Im suprised that silver let this thread slide, considering how anti-piracy this forum usually is...
anyways, if it really where for the consumers, why there's still labels that doesnt release stuff on cd or digitally?
tbh I dont think it's completely filesharings fault that the hardcore scene cant get on the digital side. We got taxes on one side, and creditcards on the other, because you can't sell tracks without taxes, or you'll get shit with the government, and you can buy tracks without a creditcard (unless you got an bankaccount accepted on paypal, but that will still not mean instant access).
Here's a question that's really is related.
Is it ok to share Vinylgroover's Happy Hardcore tracks? The guy left the scene, and is about the only one who didn't return to Hardcore because it got hyped again. Because he doesnt produce it anymore, and no record label is selling/licensing it. Ofcourse, on the bottom line it's his decision, but would you think he'd mind? I considering sending him a mail to ask. Anyone know what kind of answer I would get?
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 07:44:39
Youll probably get an "I dont care" answer considering Vinylgroover never liked Happy Hardcore and there is no way he'd make money from stuff thats mostly 10 years old and out of press...
Theres a big difference between filesharing out of press "vinyl-only" stuff such as Oldschool, considering there would be no more revenue made, it's old!!! But on the other hand what is one right thing acheived from filesharing fresh and new releases that producers have put in alot of effort to produce it.
"anyways, if it really where for the consumers, why there's still labels that doesnt release stuff on cd or digitally?"
To answer that in my own words and my own view, the Label owners that press vinyl have alot of respect for Hardcore, as it's alot of effort to sort togehter vinyl releases and alot of money. It is a risky thing to do because vinyl is selling less and less and cd turntables seem to be the new thing. Vinyl labels almost always release digitally too, and just above is the reason. I dont know any vinyl label in Hardcore off the top of my head that doesnt release digitally aswell. It wouldnt be the best idea of maximizing revenue and spreading the word for your label anyway (in my opinion)..
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 08:24:40
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Youll probably get an "I dont care" answer considering Vinylgroover never liked Happy Hardcore and there is no way he'd make money from stuff thats mostly 10 years old and out of press...
Theres a big difference between filesharing out of press "vinyl-only" stuff such as Oldschool, considering there would be no more revenue made, it's old!!! But on the other hand what is one right thing acheived from filesharing fresh and new releases that producers have put in alot of effort to produce it.
"anyways, if it really where for the consumers, why there's still labels that doesnt release stuff on cd or digitally?"
To answer that in my own words and my own view, the Label owners that press vinyl have alot of respect for Hardcore, as it's alot of effort to sort togehter vinyl releases and alot of money. It is a risky thing to do because vinyl is selling less and less and cd turntables seem to be the new thing. Vinyl labels almost always release digitally too, and just above is the reason. I dont know any vinyl label in Hardcore off the top of my head that doesnt release digitally aswell. It wouldnt be the best idea of maximizing revenue and spreading the word for your label anyway (in my opinion)..
We got 2 of the largets UK Hardcore labels that doesn't do digitally (directly)
We have Raverbaby who supposedly alreadyu had a working digital store back in early 2005, but never appeared. I dont know about Hixxy's opinion to filesharing.
We have Evolution, who actually did manage to get a few tracks out on his site, and is now supposedly working out a deal about starting a store or selling on already existing stores. Scott Brown is supposedly very negative towards filesharing what I've heard.
If you're wondering on my view, it's that I don't mind getting stuff on vinyl, but as I am a listener foremost, I want a legal digital copy of the track.
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 10:13:19
Raverbaby wouldnt really need to go digital, (even tho itd probably be a good move). Raverbaby sell ALL their presses anyway.
Yeah, Scott Brown is VERY against filesharing. And i can understand why and i totally agree with him.. He probably hasnt gotten Evolution digital specifically because of that.
Well considering you said you want a "legal" copy, im not sure what we're arguing about. haha
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 11:09:20
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Raverbaby wouldnt really need to go digital, (even tho itd probably be a good move). Raverbaby sell ALL their presses anyway.
Yeah, Scott Brown is VERY against filesharing. And i can understand why and i totally agree with him.. He probably hasnt gotten Evolution digital specifically because of that.
Well considering you said you want a "legal" copy, im not sure what we're arguing about. haha
And how do u know rb sell all their presses? Ive been in vinyl shops that have old raverbabies, which clearly havnt been sold as they're still in the shop
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Samination
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 11:15:49
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Raverbaby wouldnt really need to go digital, (even tho itd probably be a good move). Raverbaby sell ALL their presses anyway.
Yeah, Scott Brown is VERY against filesharing. And i can understand why and i totally agree with him.. He probably hasnt gotten Evolution digital specifically because of that.
Well considering you said you want a "legal" copy, im not sure what we're arguing about. haha
If i can't play my vinyl, I end up trying to find a illegal copy that's better. Anyways that's what I used to do.
I got 3 vinyls of Interstate - Forever Yours, because the 2 first ones i got had the exact same problems (crackles and pops at the exact SAME spot).
I rather avoid this kind of problems buy buying a digital copy. That would satisfy me, but ofcourse, it's up to Scott Brown. Even if he never did go digital, his tracks are still sought after, so there will always be some kind of piracy. But as I said, I dont think piracy is just because it's free, it's about how to get it legally (stores, money, taxes, distro).
Before I even knew how to get stuff legally, I had/would download stuff, then I was able to get a creditcard and noticed IMO Records and started to buy records. Then IMO Records started their MP3 store, followed by Scott Brown selling some tracks, Nu Energy added mp3s to their store, I became... happy basicly :P
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 12:03:53
they arent problems!!...its personality!! :P
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 12:06:34
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they arent problems!!...its personality!! :P
so when companies forces you to be 18 and have a steady work so you can get a creditcard, itäs your personality? =P
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 13:09:42
lol..i was refering to:
"I got 3 vinyls of Interstate - Forever Yours, because the 2 first ones i got had the exact same problems (crackles and pops at the exact SAME spot)."
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Posted - 2009/05/03 : 14:36:15
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lol..i was refering to:
"I got 3 vinyls of Interstate - Forever Yours, because the 2 first ones i got had the exact same problems (crackles and pops at the exact SAME spot)."
thats called "personal taste"
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